This month’s episode is in conversation with Charles Esche, director of the Van Abbemuseum, Eindhoven, Professor at the University of the Arts London, and a renown curator and researcher. It was recorded during a studio visit at the Jan van Eyck Academie, and initially broadcast live as a “porosity session” on the morning of 26 April 2023. I was curious to probe Charles for his thoughts about the recent appearance of radio in contemporary art, and specifically about the inclusion of ruangrupa’s RuRuRadio in the 31st São Paulo Biennal 2014 (main image), for which he was part of the curatorial team. I also asked him to bring in some music. No spoiler! Listen on to hear his selections.